Curse

genofreek · Jan 01, 2010, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by Michael805

In my case, I hadn't logged into my plaync account for (likely) a year or more, and hadn't logged into gw on any account in at least 6 months, yet my account was hacked. It's not sessions being stolen, it's likely the account ID being altered in some way under server stress (which would explain why it only works by logging in/out several times).

Damn, you people need to stop giving me hope and then killing it.

Jaythen Tyradel · Jan 01, 2010, 09:59 PM // 21:59

as damaging as this info is, I feel better (albeit not by much, still worried and frustrated by this news) that this has been uncovered NOW instead of after GW2 launch.

Lishy · Jan 01, 2010, 10:03 PM // 22:03

Screw NCSoft
Anet should use the profits from GW2 to make some awesome offline rpg not limited by the online gameplay Guild Wars has :P
Using an offline game, they would earn more profit than they probably make now due to how much it costs to keep Guild Wars up each month. Once they hit the sky high success, they finally disband from NCSoft and lead there own company, furthering to develop games for the XBOX360 :P

Seraphim Angel · Jan 01, 2010, 10:03 PM // 22:03

Is there a way to un-link your account from thier website?

Stuart444 · Jan 01, 2010, 10:04 PM // 22:04

Update to the last post by Galie on her wiki:

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Addendum to my comment above: I do not wish to give the impression that I consider missing holiday hats to be a higher priority than security issues. Anyone who knows me, or thinks about my position, would clearly understand that, for me, hats < security! However, having seen an official response that seemed to dispel the concern -- a response that, in the context made sense to me -- I believed the security concern to have been adequately addressed. I have been researching this at greater depth today, and have sent emails to more than 30 people on a half-dozen teams to alert them to the concern. We'll update when we have more information.

Carinae · Jan 01, 2010, 10:05 PM // 22:05

The elephant in the room is the fact that we have seen them do a system-wide rollback, character data and all. So they DO have character backup data, definitively.

They simply don't WANT to do it. To be fair, there is some legitimacy in that stance. It would take a lot of manpower, open the door for exploits, and in general be a headache.

However.......They now have a way (at least for this issue) to determine legitimate hacks! Just read their own logs:

LOGIN: Player123
ACCOUNT OPENED: Player648

BINGO -> Rollback Character

You might lose some stuff, depending on the date of the rollback, but hey, better than nothing.

Gargantuan Midget · Jan 01, 2010, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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Originally Posted by Juhanah

There's no "how to do it". The NCSoft website do it by it self for you or anyone.

If no one know how the bug works, most people wont care. NCSoft will continue deny it, Anet will follow NCSoft judgment, People will still get their account stolen and nothing will ever be done.

Now if the majority of people know it. Yes more account may be stolen but this also mean more people will voice their frustration toward this issue, less people will want to spend their money on NCSoft product and to get it stolen, and NCSoft will look extremely stupid for not fixing it and will loose any bits of credibility and revenue they have left.

I do understand this will help I'm not saying its a bad thing at all, I am hugely happy someone in the GW team is taking an interest in it even if it isn't their fault.

I just don't want people to be innocent in thinking this thread will auto save us everyone has been QQing about balancing for months and nothing happened. If the information is even more readily available even if it is on a thread designed to help I just don't think the spike in hacking (or whatever I'm supposed to call it apparently thats wrong) will dissapear as fast as we all want it too.

But I do see what you're saying, a small number more is acceptable if the problem gets solved, for the greater good essentially. I hope you're right and prove me to be wrong I really really do.

zelgadissan · Jan 01, 2010, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by Seraphim Angel

Is there a way to un-link your account from thier website?

No. Once you're connected to it, it's GG. People have been asking for that ability for quite some time now.

Rhiana Reborn · Jan 01, 2010, 10:27 PM // 22:27

Well, this sucks. Here's hoping that if I get hacked, they have the decency to not delete my chars. I can reset my password and get my acc back, but I'd hate to have to remake my chars - some of the titles I have were a pain to get.

Also, Please don't expect the Anet team to be at the top of their game - it's the 1st day of the year, and like most of us, they too have offline lives, and I bet that more than one of the people in charge has a hangover bigger than mine.

Happy New Year! (I'd offer you some champagne, but I'm keeping the last bottles for myself. Mmmmmm)

fenix · Jan 01, 2010, 10:29 PM // 22:29

A little delayed, but I can confirm this too.

Was logged into someone elses account on the Aion website the other day...

Fril Estelin · Jan 01, 2010, 10:29 PM // 22:29

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Hats > Account Security

Duh.

Time to fix Hats problem (bugs) << Time to fix Security problem (trace/logs analysis, vulnerabilities identification and closing, prevention/redesign, risk assessment and mitigation...all this at various infrastructure levels...)

Seraphim Angel · Jan 01, 2010, 10:33 PM // 22:33

Well this is comforting. Its like every time I log on now I'm gonna be like "Hope they didn't get me." I feel like I live in the ghetto and I have to check outside to see if my car is still there.

Edge Igneas · Jan 01, 2010, 10:40 PM // 22:40

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Originally Posted by Seraphim Angel

Well this is comforting. Its like every time I log on now I'm gonna be like "Hope they didn't get me." I feel like I live in the ghetto and I have to check outside to see if my car is still there.

And I feel like the U.S.S.R. just launched nuclear missiles all around the world.

fenix · Jan 01, 2010, 10:40 PM // 22:40

Stickied for importance.

Rhiana Reborn · Jan 01, 2010, 10:42 PM // 22:42

Were there deleted posts? The thread just went from 11 pages to 10...

Gargantuan Midget · Jan 01, 2010, 10:45 PM // 22:45

edit: Apparently my opinion of his intelligence was shared

fenix · Jan 01, 2010, 10:46 PM // 22:46

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Originally Posted by Rhiana Reborn

Were there deleted posts? The thread just went from 11 pages to 10...

Just the normal cleaning of threads. Hadn't gotten online to see this one yet :P

freedom_razor · Jan 01, 2010, 10:53 PM // 22:53

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Originally Posted by Gargantuan Midget

@ Freedom Razor what are you talking about? Seriously? You actually think if a member of the community finds out how peoples accounts are being stolen they should just sit there and do nothing with that information? Even if everyone at anet and everyone at ncsoft ignore it at least they tried, you're suggesting we just sit here and accept we are going to loose our accounts.

Well, my post has been deleted since [2 of them even], so I can only suppose if I post on that subject any more, I will get banned. I wasn't serious anyway, was just giving the ''advice'' I learned from other, closed by mods, thread about bots in PvP. Of course I think that kind of information should be on public community forums, just as I believe any issues concerning botting in GvG [or game in general] should be open to public discussion on game's forums.

@Fenix: can you spare at least this post? It is an answer to someone else who managed to read one of my previous posts.

Tramp · Jan 01, 2010, 10:56 PM // 22:56

I am still confused and no one answered. So the recent additional character name at login is worthless because they glitch or hack into the NCSoft account, then check out your support emails, and get your character name and information there?

I need to know if I should start to dread logging in again, because I was feeling much better when Gaile said that a minority of people who were hacked did not have the NCSoft account, therefore the NCSoft account was not a problem, but now I concerned again.

deluxe · Jan 01, 2010, 11:09 PM // 23:09

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Originally Posted by fenix

A little delayed, but I can confirm this too.

Was logged into someone elses account on the Aion website the other day...

And that's the cosmetic thing they were talking about, 2 different things.